Hi, I would like to ask you something
I have some little problem bootstrapping a term structure using future rates, so I tried to understand something about them... I read Hull about 3 months EURIBOR interest rate futures and I read that a future price of Z does not imply that the forward interest rate for the 3 months following the expiry date is 100-Z because of convexity adjustment. Is that true? And if it is, how does the class FutureRateHelper handle it? thanks andrea ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- La presente comunicazione è destinata esclusivamente al soggetto indicato più sopra quale destinatario o ad eventuali altri soggetti autorizzati a riceverla. Essa contiene informazioni strettamente confidenziali e riservate, la cui comunicazione o diffusione a terzi è proibita, salvo che non sia stata espressamente autorizzata. Se avete ricevuto questa comunicazione per errore, Vi preghiamo di darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di cancellarne ogni evidenza dai Vostri supporti. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Hi Andrea,
I can only answer to the first part of the question: Is that true? Yes, this is because of the difference in the nature of Futures and FRA contracts. Usually one say that it is unappropriate to use future prices directly in yield curve constructions the future rate must be adjusted such that future rate = forward rate + convexity adjustement. In theory it is possible to make an arbitrage in buying a FRA and selling the same number of future contracts, the model of convexity adjustment consists of finding the required fixed rate of a fra such that this arbitrage is not possible. The problem now is that to calculate this convexity adjustement you need: - correlations between all futures contracts - Volatility of future conctracts. Maybe I'm wrong but what I've seen is that market participants are ignoring it because it's too complex to measure. (If you have an accurate idea of the correlation between 3m and 12m futures contracts tell me!) Of someone else has another point of view I'd be happy to read it. Bye Xavier [hidden email] Sent by: To: [hidden email] [hidden email] cc: eforge.net Subject: [Quantlib-users] Interest Rate Futures 14/02/2003 09:13 Hi, I would like to ask you something I have some little problem bootstrapping a term structure using future rates, so I tried to understand something about them... I read Hull about 3 months EURIBOR interest rate futures and I read that a future price of Z does not imply that the forward interest rate for the 3 months following the expiry date is 100-Z because of convexity adjustment. Is that true? And if it is, how does the class FutureRateHelper handle it? thanks andrea ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- La presente comunicazione è destinata esclusivamente al soggetto indicato più sopra quale destinatario o ad eventuali altri soggetti autorizzati a riceverla. Essa contiene informazioni strettamente confidenziali e riservate, la cui comunicazione o diffusione a terzi è proibita, salvo che non sia stata espressamente autorizzata. Se avete ricevuto questa comunicazione per errore, Vi preghiamo di darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di cancellarne ogni evidenza dai Vostri supporti. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en _______________________________________________ Quantlib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users ************************************************************************* Ce message et toutes les pieces jointes (ci-apres le "message") sont confidentiels et etablis a l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisee est interdite. Tout message electronique est susceptible d'alteration. La Fimat et ses filiales declinent toute responsabilite au titre de ce message s'il a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. ******** This message and any attachments (the "message") are confidential and intended solely for the addressees. Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. E-mails are susceptible to alteration. Neither Fimat nor any of its subsidiaries or affiliates shall be liable for the message if altered, changed or falsified. ************************************************************************* |
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Hi Andrea
>I read Hull about 3 months EURIBOR interest rate futures and I read that a >future price of Z does not imply that the forward interest rate for the 3 >months following the expiry date is 100-Z because of convexity adjustment. > >Is that true? Oh yes, it is! Do you really think that J. Hull could be wrong? ;-) > And if it is, how does the class FutureRateHelper handle it? Not yet. In any case the adjustment is very small for the first few contracts, so that is quite common not to use it if you only include up to 4-5 contracts. There are different approaches to the evaluation of the convexity adjustment. I don't have the formulas handy, but there are mainly two types. One is based on the volatility of the future contract, the other is based on the yield term structure (evolution) model selected. I think that FutureRateHelper should take into account the volatility of the future contract (that is a convexity adjustment of the first type): anyone willing to work on that? Can anyone point to the formulas to be implemented? Different thoughts anyone? ------------ ciao -- Nando |
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>Maybe I'm wrong but what I've seen is that market participants are ignoring
>it because it's too complex to measure. I'm pretty sure there are simple approaches, maybe not theoretically perfect, but sound enough to be used. Or I wouldn't understand how people are using 40 future contract to bootstrap the USD yield curve (I've seen that myself) ------------ ciao -- Nando |
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