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Joseph Wang-2
Hi all,

I'd like to change the README.txt file in the QuantLib distribution to point
to installation instructions on a wiki, but I'm not sure which wiki to use.  

wiki.quantlib.org points to a wiki at the GNA site, but it was mentioned that
we are trying to move things to the wiki sourceforge site which doesn't seem
to be public right now.

Alternatively, we can use the wiki pages at wikiversity.   I've already
started some quantlib pages at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/QuantLib . This
would be something to consider because there is already an active community
there which can take care of things like anti-vandalism and also it could
bootstrap a wider academic community discussing quantitative finance and open
source scientific computing.

Something else that I'm finding is that a lot of the users of quantlib would
like to remain rather low key and the standard authentication mechanism of
sending an e-mail back to an account is actually a minor road block to
participation.


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Re: Which wiki?

Luigi Ballabio
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 09:23 -0500, Joseph Wang wrote:
> I'd like to change the README.txt file in the QuantLib distribution to point
> to installation instructions on a wiki, but I'm not sure which wiki to use.  
>
> wiki.quantlib.org points to a wiki at the GNA site, but it was mentioned that
> we are trying to move things to the wiki sourceforge site which doesn't seem
> to be public right now.

Joe,
        first of all, apologies for the delay.

Ideally, I'd keep both wikis. On the one hand, I'd use the one at
SourceForge to provide some kind of QuantLib cookbook, namely, a
collection of code snippets showing how to perform common and less
common tasks (and to anyone who's listening, drop me a line if you're
interested in contributing.) Installation instructions for different
platforms would go there as well, at which point we could modify the
README. Also, I would keep this wiki not publicly writable: write access
would be given freely to those who are willing to contribute. It might
be a minor road block; however, the point of such a wiki would not just
be to remain spam-free, but that the code snippets actually work.
Signing up for contributing is a way to show that one takes
responsibility for that.

On the other hand, we can also keep the wiki you started. It might be
some kind of forum for general quantitative- and numerical-finance
discussion. I'm still a bit doubtful about the redundancy with the
mailing lists (for instance, I'd prefer technical questions and
discussions about the code and design of QuantLib to be on the
quantlib-dev mailing list, as the latter is the forum of choice for
that) but the tie with Wikiversity might be appealing to the academic
community.


Speaking of Wikiversity:

> I've already
> started some quantlib pages at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/QuantLib .

I've had a look at the front page. A couple of questions:

1) The "Add your name to QuantLib/Developer pool" link at the top of the
page is kind of misleading. We welcome people willing to contribute, but
one's chances to do so are not going to increase by getting an account
on Wikiversity and adding one's name to a wiki page whose existence the
QuantLib administrators were not aware of.

2) in which way exactly has the Globewide Network Academy "committed
significant resources to the development of this library"?

Later,
        Luigi


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Re: Which wiki?

Joseph Wang-2
在 Friday 13 July 2007 10:26:43,Luigi Ballabio 写道:

I've also been slow.  I've started working in New York City, and there has
been a lot of slowness due to moving up here.  In particular, the machine
that I was developing QuantLib with is still in Texas, and stopped working.  
I've waiting for a new desktop to show up here.

> Also, I would keep this wiki not publicly writable: write access
> would be given freely to those who are willing to contribute. It might
> be a minor road block; however, the point of such a wiki would not just
> be to remain spam-free, but that the code snippets actually work.
> Signing up for contributing is a way to show that one takes
> responsibility for that.

That makes sense.

The wikiversity page was cut and paste from the QuantLib GNA wiki, and alot of
it doesn't make any sense.  One problem that I've run into wiki's is to have
markers that distinguish between "levels of reliability" (i.e. what is a
draft and what has been reviewed).  Having two wikis (one open and unreliable
and the other one closed and reliable) makes sense.  

> 1) The "Add your name to QuantLib/Developer pool" link at the top of the
> page is kind of misleading. We welcome people willing to contribute, but
> one's chances to do so are not going to increase by getting an account
> on Wikiversity and adding one's name to a wiki page whose existence the
> QuantLib administrators were not aware of.

I'll change that this evening.  

> 2) in which way exactly has the Globewide Network Academy "committed
> significant resources to the development of this library"?

That statement got cut and paste from the GNA wiki, and I'll get rid of it
this evening.  It sort of made sense when it was on the GNA wiki since
hosting a wiki is non-trivial and while the wiki was on a machine that GNA
bought and paid for, putting the label there made some sense.  

Right now, I'm trying (without much success) to fold GNA work into the overall
Wikiversity effort, and if wikiversity supports the wiki, that statement
doesn't make any sense at all, since part of the purpose of moving things
into the wikiversity is so I don't end up spending a lot of time fighting
spammers. :-( :-( :-(

There is a general problem with open projects that the advantage of wikis is
that the barrier to getting something useful done starts low, but as an
organization progresses it has more structure and more structure makes it
more difficult for newbies to participate.  I'm sort of running into that
problem with wikiversity since to figure what to do, I'm having to spend time
thinking about politics and management, and I'd really like to minimize the
time needed to do that.

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