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It seems that frequently questions to this mail list go unanswered.
I wonder how we can incentivise people to contribute answers? I guess the problem is that there are too many people like me who sometimes ask questions but very rarely reply to other people's queries. Perhaps the answerers could get ratings or stars, which may be of some worth on their CV? Cheers Philip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first _______________________________________________ QuantLib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users |
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Yes it seems a drastic change from Linux Kernel list where people respond immediately (almost). I just started using Quantlib for my own personal work and I found that documentation is quite old and many changes have been made. Also those tiny questions which would really help a lot in making the learning curve easier are left unanswered. IMHO incentivising doesn't help much coz then maybe in rushing with their answers people might give wrong answers which are of no use ;). As more and more people join this list more and more questions are answered. What I saw in Linux kernel dev list (which I had been a part of before moving to trading then quants!) some of the developers used to respond to queries too. This sometimes makes the discussion more interesting and more and more people get involved. Another way is for those who faced a problem with Quantlib and finally solved it, could post how they got it done, so might help similar people facing similar problems. Took me 2 days to figure out how to compile quantlib on mac...but somehow it worked after lots of google search! Cheers, Animesh (Associate) Exotic Derivatives P Nelnik wrote: > It seems that frequently questions to this mail list go unanswered. > *I wonder how we can incentivise people to contribute answers? > *I guess the problem is that there are too many people like me who > sometimes ask questions but very rarely reply to other people's queries. > Perhaps the answerers could get ratings or stars, which may be of some > worth on their CV? > > Cheers > Philip > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > QuantLib-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first _______________________________________________ QuantLib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users |
Antwort: Re: incentivising people to respond to queries
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hey I think this is quite unfair. you can see, how Luigi, Nando and the
others from the "core" team answer the next bunch of all these little questions from time to time. I personally got an answer to all of my questions after a rather short period of time. best, Peter animesh saxena <animesh.saxena@g mail.com> An P Nelnik <[hidden email]> 05.07.2010 14:15 Kopie [hidden email] et Thema Re: [Quantlib-users] incentivising people to respond to queries Yes it seems a drastic change from Linux Kernel list where people respond immediately (almost). I just started using Quantlib for my own personal work and I found that documentation is quite old and many changes have been made. Also those tiny questions which would really help a lot in making the learning curve easier are left unanswered. IMHO incentivising doesn't help much coz then maybe in rushing with their answers people might give wrong answers which are of no use ;). As more and more people join this list more and more questions are answered. What I saw in Linux kernel dev list (which I had been a part of before moving to trading then quants!) some of the developers used to respond to queries too. This sometimes makes the discussion more interesting and more and more people get involved. Another way is for those who faced a problem with Quantlib and finally solved it, could post how they got it done, so might help similar people facing similar problems. Took me 2 days to figure out how to compile quantlib on mac...but somehow it worked after lots of google search! Cheers, Animesh (Associate) Exotic Derivatives P Nelnik wrote: > It seems that frequently questions to this mail list go unanswered. > *I wonder how we can incentivise people to contribute answers? > *I guess the problem is that there are too many people like me who > sometimes ask questions but very rarely reply to other people's queries. > Perhaps the answerers could get ratings or stars, which may be of some > worth on their CV? > > Cheers > Philip > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > QuantLib-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first _______________________________________________ QuantLib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WGZ BANK AG Westdeutsche Genossenschafts-Zentralbank Sitz: Düsseldorf, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 52363 Vorstand: Werner Böhnke (Vors.), Karl-Heinz Moll, Hans-Bernd Wolberg, Uwe Berghaus (stellv.), Dr. Christian Brauckmann (stellv.), Michael Speth (stellv.) Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dieter Philipp Ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails koennen unter fremdem Namen erstellt oder inhaltlich veraendert werden. Aus diesem Grund sind unsere als E-Mail verschickten Nachrichten grundsaetzlich keine rechtsverbindlichen Erklaerungen. Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail samt Anlagen ist vertraulich und u. U. rechtlich geschuetzt. Der Inhalt ist ausschließlich an einen bestimmten Empfaenger gerichtet. Eine Weitergabe, die Herstellung von Kopien oder der sonstige Gebrauch durch Nichtadressaten ist nicht erlaubt. Messages sent by e-mail can be manipulated by third parties. For this reason our e-mail messages are generally not legally binding. This electronic message (including any attachments) contains confidential information and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the use of the intended addressee only. Please be aware that any copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message by any other person than the intended addressee is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first _______________________________________________ QuantLib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users |
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Hi Peter,
My apologies for the erratic mail! Since I am a new comer I don't know who are the core team members. After struggling with FiniteDifference methods implementation in my code, I had sent across 3 mails asking for minor explanations. Still haven't got the reply, but anyway I figured it out after hit and trial, and a bit of google search :). My point is other new comers for quantlib might not have that much patience. They might give up after some attempts. So although answering questions or incentivising people who give answers are nice steps, a good step might be to beef up the manual. It's like programmers documentation and in C++ it's tough to understand with all these class structures. Maybe it's only me coz have been with Kernel C background for years ;). And since more and more users are facing a very steep learning curve, it's tough to get experienced users (Maybe this is 100% wrong statement...but just my assumption). People love to give answers if only they are confident about it or more so at a good comfort level. Cheers, Animesh (Associate) Exotic Derivatives Peter Caspers wrote: > hey I think this is quite unfair. you can see, how Luigi, Nando and the > others from the "core" team answer the next bunch of all these little > questions from time to time. I personally got an answer to all of my > questions after a rather short period of time. > best, Peter > > > > > animesh saxena > <animesh.saxena@g > mail.com> An > P Nelnik <[hidden email]> > 05.07.2010 14:15 Kopie > [hidden email] > et > Thema > Re: [Quantlib-users] incentivising > people to respond to queries > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it seems a drastic change from Linux Kernel list where people > respond immediately (almost). I just started using Quantlib for my own > personal work and I found that documentation is quite old and many > changes have been made. Also those tiny questions which would really > help a lot in making the learning curve easier are left unanswered. > IMHO incentivising doesn't help much coz then maybe in rushing with > their answers people might give wrong answers which are of no use ;). As > more and more people join this list more and more questions are > answered. What I saw in Linux kernel dev list (which I had been a part > of before moving to trading then quants!) some of the developers used to > respond to queries too. This sometimes makes the discussion more > interesting and more and more people get involved. > Another way is for those who faced a problem with Quantlib and finally > solved it, could post how they got it done, so might help similar people > facing similar problems. Took me 2 days to figure out how to compile > quantlib on mac...but somehow it worked after lots of google search! > > Cheers, > > Animesh > > (Associate) > Exotic Derivatives > > > P Nelnik wrote: > >> It seems that frequently questions to this mail list go unanswered. >> *I wonder how we can incentivise people to contribute answers? >> *I guess the problem is that there are too many people like me who >> sometimes ask questions but very rarely reply to other people's queries. >> Perhaps the answerers could get ratings or stars, which may be of some >> worth on their CV? >> >> Cheers >> Philip >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint >> What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? >> Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QuantLib-users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > _______________________________________________ > QuantLib-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > WGZ BANK AG Westdeutsche Genossenschafts-Zentralbank > Sitz: Düsseldorf, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 52363 > Vorstand: Werner Böhnke (Vors.), Karl-Heinz Moll, Hans-Bernd Wolberg, > Uwe Berghaus (stellv.), Dr. Christian Brauckmann (stellv.), Michael Speth > (stellv.) > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dieter Philipp > > Ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails koennen unter fremdem Namen erstellt > oder inhaltlich veraendert werden. Aus diesem Grund sind unsere als E-Mail > verschickten Nachrichten grundsaetzlich keine rechtsverbindlichen > Erklaerungen. Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail samt Anlagen ist vertraulich und u. > U. rechtlich geschuetzt. Der Inhalt ist ausschließlich an einen bestimmten > Empfaenger gerichtet. Eine Weitergabe, die Herstellung von Kopien oder der > sonstige Gebrauch durch Nichtadressaten ist nicht erlaubt. > > Messages sent by e-mail can be manipulated by third parties. For this > reason our e-mail messages are generally not legally binding. This > electronic message (including any attachments) contains confidential > information and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. > The information is intended to be for the use of the intended addressee > only. Please be aware that any copy, distribution or use of the contents of > this message by any other person than the intended addressee is prohibited. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first _______________________________________________ QuantLib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users |
Re: incentivising people to respond to queries
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Hi all
let me add my few cents, or maybe dollars considering my admin role ;-) I really feel frustrated about how little time I can reserve to answer questions here, but free time is a scarce resource, and most of it I use to develop stuff I will reuse in my daytime job. So I happen to skip questions I know I could answer but would require too much time, hoping for Luigi to stand up and carry the burden. I fire off an answer when I'm fully knowledgeable about the issue (i.e. I don't have to look up deep in the codebase) and/or I know I can really discriminate between the possible alternatives, when the answer can be short, when I'm sure the one who ask has at least googled around, etc. There's only 2 things which would encourage me to do better: 1) to see more people giving back to the codebase [but you know what, the ones contributing to the codebase usually just had few well-posed questions]; 2) getting a full time paid job to work on QuantLib [I'm available at about €200K per annum] I must confess the comparison to the Linux kernel mailing list and dev team is out of proportion, even if outrageously flattering :-) One last point I don't really know how to deal with: a lot of questions are from naive wannabes. I mean, everybody has been a newbie, but to assume you can start using QuantLib with no C++ skill and little finance understanding... I know Luigi has always been very kind and helpful, but in my book if you can't solve easy linking problems you're out of luck here... ciao -- Nando PS anyone willing to invest in a 3/4 guys company dedicated to QuantLib development and consultancy? I'm available... On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, animesh saxena <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Peter, > My apologies for the erratic mail! Since I am a new > comer I don't know who are the core team members. After struggling with > FiniteDifference methods implementation in my code, I had sent across 3 > mails asking for minor explanations. Still haven't got the reply, but > anyway I figured it out after hit and trial, and a bit of google search :). > My point is other new comers for quantlib might not have that > much patience. They might give up after some attempts. So although > answering questions or incentivising people who give answers are nice > steps, a good step might be to beef up the manual. It's like programmers > documentation and in C++ it's tough to understand with all these class > structures. Maybe it's only me coz have been with Kernel C background > for years ;). And since more and more users are facing a very steep > learning curve, it's tough to get experienced users (Maybe this is 100% > wrong statement...but just my assumption). People love to give answers > if only they are confident about it or more so at a good comfort level. > > Cheers, > > Animesh > > (Associate) > Exotic Derivatives > > Peter Caspers wrote: >> hey I think this is quite unfair. you can see, how Luigi, Nando and the >> others from the "core" team answer the next bunch of all these little >> questions from time to time. I personally got an answer to all of my >> questions after a rather short period of time. >> best, Peter >> >> >> >> >> animesh saxena >> <animesh.saxena@g >> mail.com> An >> P Nelnik <[hidden email]> >> 05.07.2010 14:15 Kopie >> [hidden email] >> et >> Thema >> Re: [Quantlib-users] incentivising >> people to respond to queries >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes it seems a drastic change from Linux Kernel list where people >> respond immediately (almost). I just started using Quantlib for my own >> personal work and I found that documentation is quite old and many >> changes have been made. Also those tiny questions which would really >> help a lot in making the learning curve easier are left unanswered. >> IMHO incentivising doesn't help much coz then maybe in rushing with >> their answers people might give wrong answers which are of no use ;). As >> more and more people join this list more and more questions are >> answered. What I saw in Linux kernel dev list (which I had been a part >> of before moving to trading then quants!) some of the developers used to >> respond to queries too. This sometimes makes the discussion more >> interesting and more and more people get involved. >> Another way is for those who faced a problem with Quantlib and finally >> solved it, could post how they got it done, so might help similar people >> facing similar problems. Took me 2 days to figure out how to compile >> quantlib on mac...but somehow it worked after lots of google search! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Animesh >> >> (Associate) >> Exotic Derivatives >> >> >> P Nelnik wrote: >> >>> It seems that frequently questions to this mail list go unanswered. >>> *I wonder how we can incentivise people to contribute answers? >>> *I guess the problem is that there are too many people like me who >>> sometimes ask questions but very rarely reply to other people's queries. >>> Perhaps the answerers could get ratings or stars, which may be of some >>> worth on their CV? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Philip >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint >>> What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? >>> Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> QuantLib-users mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint >> What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? >> Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first >> _______________________________________________ >> QuantLib-users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> WGZ BANK AG Westdeutsche Genossenschafts-Zentralbank >> Sitz: Düsseldorf, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 52363 >> Vorstand: Werner Böhnke (Vors.), Karl-Heinz Moll, Hans-Bernd Wolberg, >> Uwe Berghaus (stellv.), Dr. Christian Brauckmann (stellv.), Michael Speth >> (stellv.) >> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dieter Philipp >> >> Ueber das Internet versandte E-Mails koennen unter fremdem Namen erstellt >> oder inhaltlich veraendert werden. Aus diesem Grund sind unsere als E-Mail >> verschickten Nachrichten grundsaetzlich keine rechtsverbindlichen >> Erklaerungen. Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail samt Anlagen ist vertraulich und u. >> U. rechtlich geschuetzt. Der Inhalt ist ausschließlich an einen bestimmten >> Empfaenger gerichtet. Eine Weitergabe, die Herstellung von Kopien oder der >> sonstige Gebrauch durch Nichtadressaten ist nicht erlaubt. >> >> Messages sent by e-mail can be manipulated by third parties. For this >> reason our e-mail messages are generally not legally binding. This >> electronic message (including any attachments) contains confidential >> information and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. >> The information is intended to be for the use of the intended addressee >> only. Please be aware that any copy, distribution or use of the contents of >> this message by any other person than the intended addressee is prohibited. >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > _______________________________________________ > QuantLib-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first _______________________________________________ QuantLib-users mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/quantlib-users |
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