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MJC1
Hi,

I've created 4 additional calendars currently not included in version 0.9. The formats were taken from existing calendars.

Could these be added to the calendar library?

Thanks,

Mike Craig

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Re: New Calendars

Fabrice_CBA
Hi Mike,

I just had a look at the french calendar you implemented, and I don't think it is correct.
There is no such thing as Good Friday or Boxing day in France (They actually exists, but only in Alsace-Lorraine). Furthermore, when a holiday falls on a week end, it doesn't get moved to a Monday or a Tuesday.
Finally it misses a few holidays, such as Armistice day, All saints day (which you have for the belgium calendar), or Bastille day. Here is a complete list:

Public Holidays

1 January New Year's Day (Jour de l'an)
1 May Labor Day (Fête du premier mai)
8 May WWII Victory Day (Fête de la Victoire 1945; Fête du huitième mai)
14 July Bastille Day (Fête nationale)
15 August Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Assomption)
1 November All Saints Day (La Toussaint)
11 November Armistice Day (Jour d'armistice)
25 December Christmas Day (Noël)
26 December 2nd Day of Christmas (in Alsace and Lorraine only)

Moveable Feasts
Religion: Christian (Western)
Feast 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Good Friday*   6 April 21 March 10 April 2 April 22 April 6 April
Easter (Pâques)   8 April 23 March 12 April 4 April 24 April 8 April
Easter Monday   9 April 24 March 13 April 5 April 25 April 9 April
Ascension (l'Ascencion)   17 May 1 May 21 May 13 May 2 June 17 May
Pentecost (la Pentecôte)   27 May 11 May 31 May 23 May 12 June 27 May
Whit Monday   28 May 12 May 1 June 24 May 13 June 28 May

*In Alsace and Lorraine only.

In years when Ascension Day concurs with Victory Day, we mark only the former, thus ignoring the latter.

Metal workers have the holiday of St. Eloi, July 24 (Festival of St. Eloi - French Basque).

Note that when a holiday happens to fall on a Tuesday or Thursday, many French workers may take the Monday or, respectively, Friday, off as well. This is not official and does not apply to institutions such as banks or government, but is sufficiently commonplace to cause difficulties doing business on occasion...

Vive La France,
Fabrice


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Hi,

I've created 4 additional calendars currently not included in version 0.9.
The formats were taken from existing calendars.

Could these be added to the calendar library?

Thanks,

Mike Craig

http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/greece.cpp greece.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/france.cpp france.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/belgium.cpp belgium.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/malaysia.cpp malaysia.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/malaysia.hpp malaysia.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/greece.hpp greece.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/belgium.hpp belgium.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/france.hpp france.hpp
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Re: New Calendars

MJC1
Hi Fabrice,

Thanks for looking into the calendar for me. I was relying on the Bloomberg settlement calendar. Many of the holidays you listed are there, however Bloomberg does not denote them as non-settlement days. We need this calendar to calculate accruals for French Bonds, so its days that the market is closed that we are after.

I suppose writing this in the documentation would have been useful =).

Any thoughts?
Fabrice_CBA wrote
Hi Mike,

I just had a look at the french calendar you implemented, and I don't think it is correct.
There is no such thing as Good Friday or Boxing day in France (They actually exists, but only in Alsace-Lorraine). Furthermore, when a holiday falls on a week end, it doesn't get moved to a Monday or a Tuesday.
Finally it misses a few holidays, such as Armistice day, All saints day (which you have for the belgium calendar), or Bastille day. Here is a complete list:

Public Holidays

1 January New Year's Day (Jour de l'an)
1 May Labor Day (Fête du premier mai)
8 May WWII Victory Day (Fête de la Victoire 1945; Fête du huitième mai)
14 July Bastille Day (Fête nationale)
15 August Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Assomption)
1 November All Saints Day (La Toussaint)
11 November Armistice Day (Jour d'armistice)
25 December Christmas Day (Noël)
26 December 2nd Day of Christmas (in Alsace and Lorraine only)

Moveable Feasts
Religion: Christian (Western)
Feast 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Good Friday*   6 April 21 March 10 April 2 April 22 April 6 April
Easter (Pâques)   8 April 23 March 12 April 4 April 24 April 8 April
Easter Monday   9 April 24 March 13 April 5 April 25 April 9 April
Ascension (l'Ascencion)   17 May 1 May 21 May 13 May 2 June 17 May
Pentecost (la Pentecôte)   27 May 11 May 31 May 23 May 12 June 27 May
Whit Monday   28 May 12 May 1 June 24 May 13 June 28 May

*In Alsace and Lorraine only.

In years when Ascension Day concurs with Victory Day, we mark only the former, thus ignoring the latter.

Metal workers have the holiday of St. Eloi, July 24 (Festival of St. Eloi - French Basque).

Note that when a holiday happens to fall on a Tuesday or Thursday, many French workers may take the Monday or, respectively, Friday, off as well. This is not official and does not apply to institutions such as banks or government, but is sufficiently commonplace to cause difficulties doing business on occasion...

Vive La France,
Fabrice


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Hi,

I've created 4 additional calendars currently not included in version 0.9.
The formats were taken from existing calendars.

Could these be added to the calendar library?

Thanks,

Mike Craig

http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/greece.cpp greece.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/france.cpp france.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/belgium.cpp belgium.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/malaysia.cpp malaysia.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/malaysia.hpp malaysia.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/greece.hpp greece.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/belgium.hpp belgium.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/france.hpp france.hpp
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Re: New Calendars

Ole Peng
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I think in the case of France it may be preferable to support a workday calendar - definitely makes your software more efficient to check for workdays than for holidays...Zzzzzh

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On May 11, 2008, at 9:10 PM, "Lecuyer, Fabrice" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Mike,

I just had a look at the french calendar you implemented, and I don't think it is correct.
There is no such thing as Good Friday or Boxing day in France (They actually exists, but only in Alsace-Lorraine). Furthermore, when a holiday falls on a week end, it doesn't get moved to a Monday or a Tuesday.
Finally it misses a few holidays, such as Armistice day, All saints day (which you have for the belgium calendar), or Bastille day. Here is a complete list:

Public Holidays

1 January    New Year's Day (Jour de l'an)
1 May    Labor Day (Fête du premier mai)
8 May    WWII Victory Day (Fête de la Victoire 1945; Fête du huitième mai)
14 July    Bastille Day (Fête nationale)
15 August    Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Assomption)
1 November    All Saints Day (La Toussaint)
11 November    Armistice Day (Jour d'armistice)
25 December    Christmas Day (Noël)
26 December    2nd Day of Christmas (in Alsace and Lorraine only)

Moveable Feasts
Religion: Christian (Western)
Feast    2007    2008    2009    2010     2011    2012
Good Friday*       6 April    21 March     10 April    2 April    22 April    6 April
Easter (Pâques)       8 April    23 March    12 April    4 April    24 April     8 April
Easter Monday       9 April    24 March    13 April    5 April    25 April     9 April
Ascension (l'Ascencion)       17 May    1 May    21 May    13 May    2 June    17 May
Pentecost (la Pentecôte)       27 May     11 May    31 May    23 May    12 June    27 May
Whit Monday       28 May    12 May    1 June    24 May    13 June    28 May

*In Alsace and Lorraine only.

In years when Ascension Day concurs with Victory Day, we mark only the former, thus ignoring the latter.

Metal workers have the holiday of St. Eloi, July 24 (Festival of St. Eloi - French Basque).

Note that when a holiday happens to fall on a Tuesday or Thursday, many French workers may take the Monday or, respectively, Friday, off as well. This is not official and does not apply to institutions such as banks or government, but is sufficiently commonplace to cause difficulties doing business on occasion...

Vive La France,
Fabrice


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Hi,

I've created 4 additional calendars currently not included in version 0.9.
The formats were taken from existing calendars.

Could these be added to the calendar library?

Thanks,

Mike Craig

http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/greece.cpp greece.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/france.cpp france.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/belgium.cpp belgium.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/malaysia.cpp malaysia.cpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/malaysia.hpp malaysia.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/greece.hpp greece.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/belgium.hpp belgium.hpp http://www.nabble.com/file/p17155910/france.hpp france.hpp
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Re: New Calendars

Luigi Ballabio
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On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 13:31 -0700, MJC1 wrote:
> I've created 4 additional calendars currently not included in version 0.9.
> The formats were taken from existing calendars.
>
> Could these be added to the calendar library?

Sure. Just one thing: may you provide a reference to the source of the
information you used (a URL or something) to be included in each header
file?

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Re: New Calendars

MJC1
Hi Luigi,

The information was sourced from Bloomberg (CDR Command). Would you like me to resend the header files or can you add this in?

Cheers,

Mike

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On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 13:31 -0700, MJC1 wrote:
> I've created 4 additional calendars currently not included in version 0.9.
> The formats were taken from existing calendars.
>
> Could these be added to the calendar library?

Sure. Just one thing: may you provide a reference to the source of the information you used (a URL or something) to be included in each header file?

Thanks,
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Re: New Calendars

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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 11:49 -0400, Craig, Michael wrote:
> The information was sourced from Bloomberg (CDR Command). Would you
> like me to resend the header files or can you add this in?

You mean Bloomberg gave you the errors on the French calendar that
Fabrice Lecuyer reported? Makes me wonder how accurate their information
is. Before Fabrice's post, I would have taken it at face value.

Is there anyone on the list from Belgium, Greece, or Malaysia? May you
check the holidays and see if they are correct?

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Re: New Calendars

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No - Bloomberg provided those holidays as well but indicated that they were in fact settlement days. The classes which I uploaded provide the dates for which securities do not settle on.

Reason being - we are processing French Bonds and need non-settlement days to properly calc accruals, yield, etcetera... The other holidays Fabrice mentioned are provided in Bloomberg however they are listed as regular settlement days.


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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:57 AM
To: Craig, Michael
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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 11:49 -0400, Craig, Michael wrote:
> The information was sourced from Bloomberg (CDR Command). Would you
> like me to resend the header files or can you add this in?

You mean Bloomberg gave you the errors on the French calendar that Fabrice Lecuyer reported? Makes me wonder how accurate their information is. Before Fabrice's post, I would have taken it at face value.

Is there anyone on the list from Belgium, Greece, or Malaysia? May you check the holidays and see if they are correct?

Thanks,
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Re: New Calendars

Fabrice_CBA
Hi all,

I just looked at Bloomberg and they do see those dates only as non settlement dates. However, I still doubt a french bond can settle on the 14 of July (Bastille day) for example. Even Belgium has it's national day as a non-settlement day.

I've never worked in France for a financial institution, but maybe somebody working in France can enlighten me?

Fabrice

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No - Bloomberg provided those holidays as well but indicated that they were in fact settlement days. The classes which I uploaded provide the dates for which securities do not settle on.

Reason being - we are processing French Bonds and need non-settlement days to properly calc accruals, yield, etcetera... The other holidays Fabrice mentioned are provided in Bloomberg however they are listed as regular settlement days.


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From: Luigi Ballabio [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:57 AM
To: Craig, Michael
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Quantlib-dev] New Calendars

On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 11:49 -0400, Craig, Michael wrote:
> The information was sourced from Bloomberg (CDR Command). Would you
> like me to resend the header files or can you add this in?

You mean Bloomberg gave you the errors on the French calendar that Fabrice Lecuyer reported? Makes me wonder how accurate their information is. Before Fabrice's post, I would have taken it at face value.

Is there anyone on the list from Belgium, Greece, or Malaysia? May you check the holidays and see if they are correct?

Thanks,
        Luigi

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Re: New Calendars

Luigi Ballabio
On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:24 +1000, Lecuyer, Fabrice wrote:
> I just looked at Bloomberg and they do see those dates only as non
> settlement dates. However, I still doubt a french bond can settle on
> the 14 of July (Bastille day) for example. Even Belgium has it's
> national day as a non-settlement day.

Ok, I just had a more careful look at the submitted France calendar.
It looks to me it's just the TARGET calendar. Am I wrong?

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Re: New Calendars

MJC1
It should be the calendar indicating all non-settlement days.

I'll check with Bloomberg to see if their is an error on their end.
Luigi Ballabio wrote
On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:24 +1000, Lecuyer, Fabrice wrote:
> I just looked at Bloomberg and they do see those dates only as non
> settlement dates. However, I still doubt a french bond can settle on
> the 14 of July (Bastille day) for example. Even Belgium has it's
> national day as a non-settlement day.

Ok, I just had a more careful look at the submitted France calendar.
It looks to me it's just the TARGET calendar. Am I wrong?

Luigi


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Re: New Calendars

Luigi Ballabio

On May 13, 2008, at 11:17 PM, MJC1 wrote:
> It should be the calendar indicating all non-settlement days.
>
> I'll check with Bloomberg to see if their is an error on their end.

No, it's probably not an error. It might just be that, being
denominated in Euro, French bonds settle according to TARGET.

Luigi


> Luigi Ballabio wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:24 +1000, Lecuyer, Fabrice wrote:
>>> I just looked at Bloomberg and they do see those dates only as non
>>> settlement dates. However, I still doubt a french bond can settle on
>>> the 14 of July (Bastille day) for example. Even Belgium has it's
>>> national day as a non-settlement day.
>>
>> Ok, I just had a more careful look at the submitted France calendar.
>> It looks to me it's just the TARGET calendar. Am I wrong?



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Fabrice_CBA
It makes sense. However, aren't belgian bonds also denominated in Euro?
In any case, if bloomberg confirms their data, I back off and apologise
for the mess I created...

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On May 13, 2008, at 11:17 PM, MJC1 wrote:
> It should be the calendar indicating all non-settlement days.
>
> I'll check with Bloomberg to see if their is an error on their end.

No, it's probably not an error. It might just be that, being denominated
in Euro, French bonds settle according to TARGET.

Luigi


> Luigi Ballabio wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:24 +1000, Lecuyer, Fabrice wrote:
>>> I just looked at Bloomberg and they do see those dates only as non
>>> settlement dates. However, I still doubt a french bond can settle on

>>> the 14 of July (Bastille day) for example. Even Belgium has it's
>>> national day as a non-settlement day.
>>
>> Ok, I just had a more careful look at the submitted France calendar.
>> It looks to me it's just the TARGET calendar. Am I wrong?



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